This is a follow-up article that I am doing for “Is Homosexuality a Sin?” that I posted on my site some time back. You can view it by going here…
Interestingly, on Face-book, I got into a discussion with some people about a link that was posted. The woman who posted has a husband who pretended to be a Greek scholar and failed miserably, and there were a host of others who all supported the article. I was the lone Christian who stood on God’s word and did not twist it to make people feel better, but I felt like Custer at his last stand. This is normal though when the Truth of God is presented to a wicked world. I am going to address many of the so-called points made in the link.
Before I get to the actually replies, let me discuss the article. It was a link posted to a blog for a so-called pastor flaunting their new book they wanted everyone to get. In the blog, he stated that Acts chapter 8 affirms that homosexual behavior is okay, and that homosexuals will go to Heaven. He did this basically by saying that because the eunuch was accepted, the homosexual is on the grounds that the Jews looked at eunuchs and homosexuals the same since they cannot reproduce. What a stretch! What a perversion of the Gospel! Isn’t it strange first of all, that of all the walks of life of people in the bible that we are shown that are saved, not once, NEVER, is a homosexual ever shown to be saved. But let’s put to rest this argument very quickly. First, some eunuchs are born that way, some eunuchs are made that way by others, and still some eunuchs make the choice to be that way. Never, anywhere in the Bible, is being a eunuch called an abomination as is homosexuality. Where do I get this information? Straight from the mouth of Jesus Christ….
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
Jesus had just been talking about the grounds for divorce and how many people will stand before God in judgment as adulterers (who also do not inherit the kingdom of God) because they do not meet the only grounds for it. He then talks about how men have become eunuchs and did so that they might not be caught up in sexual immorality in this life and lose their soul. The eunuch was widely accepted in Jewish history, the homosexual was not. There is no comparison, the writer just made up fables to sell books and make homosexuals feel good about themselves when they should not. Now, let’s move on to some comments.
ancient manuscripts have no word or phrase, when properly translated and
used in context, that means what you think it does. This is both Old and New
In the NT, there is a debate over whether "sexual immorality" vs. "wickedness" is correct because of confusion over the ancient Greek. The word(s) are pornos and porneia, which have nothing to do with homosexuality.
Pornos - is related to the Greek words for sale of a prostitute; while porneia means "to engage in lust (either sex) or to engage in fornication.
I gotta say, it must be a tough living a sin-less life so you can afford to sit behind your monitor and cast stones. For Mat 7 says "Judge not, lest ye be judged." Remove the beam from your eye before pointing out the speck in others.”
Addressing his first point where he says the Old Testament has no word or phrase, this is nothing more than a person hiding their head in the sand. Let’s look at two word-for-word translations from the Hebrew Torah….
ואת־זכר לא תשכב
משכבי אשה תועבה
Transliterated it becomes: V'aTh-ZKUr L'a ThShKB MShKBY 'aShH ThV'yBH HV'a.
And the word for word translation is: “and with male not-you-shall-lie-down beds-of woman abhorrence she”
Which was properly rendered in English to read, “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”
ואיש אשר ישכב
את־זכר משכבי אשה
תועבה עשו שניהם
מות יומתו דמיהם
Transliterated it becomes: V'aYSh 'aShUr YShKB 'aTh-ZKUr MShKBY 'aShH ThV'yBH 'yShV ShNYHM MVTh YVMThV DMYHM BM.
And the word for word translation is: “and man who he is lying down with beds-of woman abhorrence they-did two-of-them to-be-put-to-death they-shall-be-put-to-death bloods-of-them in-them.”
Which was properly rendered to English to read: “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”
Without a doubt, the Old Testament is QUITE clear on God’s stance on homosexuality. Since God does not change nor wink at sin, it is still an abomination. Now, as far as the New Testament is concerned the first major mistake our “greek scholar” made was that the word “pornos or porneia” was used to describe a homosexual. It in fact is descriptive of a fornicator, of which is properly rendered, even in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, which we will address in a minute. First, let’s look at one very clear verbiage in the New Testament against homosexuality besides that verse.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
That’s huge! With no room for anyone to question, yet with pipe-dreams, so many do. So since this person was clearly wrong in their first attempt at Greek, I pointed them towards two other verses.
1st Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
In these verses, I point out that the Greek word “arsenokoitai’ is used, just as in 1 Timothy 1:10. It means “men who sleep with men” or in some instances it is “abusers of themselves with mankind”. This in and of itself is a devastating blow to homosexuals because Paul follows it up by saying they will not inherit the kingdom of God. That only leaves one place in case you were wondering. On their final point about judging, our “scholar” simply needed to read Matthew 7:1-5 to see Christ was telling us to not be guilty of what we talk to others about, then commands us to judge! More on that here…..
“You said: "The Greek word arsenokoitai used
in 1 Timothy 1:10 literally means “men who sleep with men.” ... Read More
Uhhh...no. Nobody really knows what that word means, as it's a combination of arsen (meaning man) and koitai (meaning bed). If Paul truly wanted to talk about men sleeping with men, he would have used the word "paiderasste".
It is more likely that arsenokoitai means something similar to prostitute.
Here's a clue. Alot of Greek homosexual erotic literature has survived and the word "arsenokoitai" does NOT appear in any of it. If it meant what you say it meant, that word would be prevalent in literature. Fact is... it's not.”
The “scholar” was at it again, and in his own interpretation, condemned homosexuals without even realizing it. He said it is a combination of “man” and “bed”. Given the fact that Paul would not have been speaking about a man sleeping in a bed (as would be preposterous to think), his own definition leads one to the only logical conclusion of the word. Paul would not have used some unknown term to the Greeks of the day. The word was widely used and known to the Greeks contrary to the lie this person made. In fact, at no time prior to the 9th century AD was the word ever associated with heterosexual intercourse, it was always homosexual, as well as it was not subject to homosexual prostitutes either, but all homosexuals. Some associate the word “malakos” here, but even it does the homosexual no good. It’s definition is effeminate, soft to the touch, male prostitute, a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man. ALL of these point to it meaning a homosexual, plain and simple, and quite clearly. This is a straw-man argument by someone clearly being spoon-fed information without knowing the truth.
“If homosexuals make a 'choice', then why is the number about the same in the rest of the Entire animal kingdom (that God created?)? There are some animals that don't need the other sex to procreate.”
The first thing that astonishes me here is this person’s willingness to compare them self to an animal which has no soul, conscience, etc. Next, yes, there are some animals that don’t need a partner to procreate….but they are made that way. Man is not made that way, nor to be homosexual as some claimed there is a “gay-gene”. That was debunked and admitted to be wrong by the medical and science fields, yet the story did not get much air time due to people not wanting to step on toes. Lastly, there are animals that eat their young as well as their own feces. I suppose this person will now fight for the rights for humans to do the same thing since it happens in the animal world!
“ Mike, you said,"Homosexuality is not
something you are born with, it is a choice."
So, Mike... please tell us when you made the "choice" to be heterosexual”
There was no choice to become heterosexual,
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
It goes against God's natural order to not be heterosexual. Further, since Jesus is describing a male and female that are married, it negates any union of male-male or female-female. Jesus actually condemns homosexuality in this verse!
“ I am truly sorry if you have nothing better to do with your time than to try forcing your particular brand of Christianity down their throats of complete strangers. With all due respect, it's not your place to determine whether I or other gays and lesbians are saved or not. The idea that we are condemned to hell unless they repent or change has driven so many of us away from the church. It's time for us reclaim God's blessing on our lives and families.”
Don't feel sorry for me, I don't need it when I stand on God's truth as written in the Bible & don't try to water it down for my own wants and needs. It is my place to make that judgment call so that I can let them, or anyone else following down the broad way versus narrow, of their impending doom so that when they stand before God, they can't say they did not know. The reason you are turned away from the Body of Christ that preaches truth on this subject versus it giving in to itching ears and preaching false doctrines, is because the Truth often hurts in our core.
“That's right, Mike, truth hurts.
It hurts you to hear that there are Christians who do not hate gays and lesbians as you do. It also hurts to hear them say that neither does the God you assume agrees with your personal prejudices. And it certainly hurts to see that Christianity might not be an exclusive club for right-wing conservative heterosexual Republicans you assumed it to be.”
You call it hate because it goes against what you want God to change His mind on and allow you to do. I never said I hated you or any homosexual. I hate no-one. There are people I know who are in that lifestyle, and I tell them the same exact thing. I have every right to spread the Gospel and truth, and those that follow the world have no Light in them. They are given over to reprobate minds. If I spoke out against someone who murders, you would not call it hate, if I spoke out about someone who has sex with animals you would not call it hate. Because I profess the true words of God, you take it as hate because there is no Truth (Jesus Christ) in your lifestyle. Yes, God loves homosexuals, God loves murderers, and the list goes on. He is not willing that any should perish, but He is righteous too and will judge accordingly. He is a God of wrath as well and when Jesus returns, it will be with fire. Those living falsely for Christ making a God that allows sin will be cast in the fire. If I walked by your house and saw it was burning, and knew you were in there sleeping yet did nothing to let you know to get out, then would I be viewed by you and your family or friends? As someone with hatred in my heart. Yet, since I preach the truth in the bible, for that same reason, you call it hate. It just is not so.
“God has blessed my partner and me with the kind of love, commitment and happiness we could only dream of. No matter what Mike says, I claim God's love and blessing on my family. Amen.
Wow, this is the first time in my life that I've been equated with a murderer and a zoophile. Poor Mike, I'm sorry you won't get to see my reprobate body being cast in the lake of fire. Great job for making your arguments irrestistibly ridiculous -- we've entered Monty Python territory here.”
As many have done, they believe because they have received some blessings in this world that they are righteous, saved, and children of God. That is not so…
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
He is gracious and will give blessings to all, but if you lead this lifestyle, go back and read the verses posted above. The fact that you are unsaved is not a question at all, it is affirmed. My beliefs are Bible based not based on the wants of my own heart. Blessings are not a sign of Salvation, it is the conversion and the fruit you bear based on God's Holy laws. And yes, where I equated it is where it stands. Mind you, this is not just for homosexuality the adulterer who goes on in that sin is unrepentant, the liar who goes on in that sin is unrepentant...it goes for all, we just happen to be talking about this. In closing, it is absolutely positive that homosexuality is an abomination, and while one can achieve salvation, they cannot achieve salvation while continuing in the lifestyle. Repent! Turn away! And run to Jesus.
In His Grace,
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